Liberalscum Buster

January 31, 2008

AFTER 30 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, HILLARY DID NOT KNOW SOME THINGS BY HER OWN ADMISSION

Filed under: BARACK OBAMA, Bush, life, mideast, news, politics, war — gasdocpol @ 12:10 pm

1. Hillary Clinton did not know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost

2. Hillary also did not know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

3. And by her own admission Hillary did not know the the Iraq War would be a dumb war.

ALL THAT BY HER OWN ADMISSION WHEN SHE SAID IN EFFECT ” IF I KNEW THEN WHAT OBAMA KNEW THEN, I WOULD NOT HAVE VOTED FOR THE WAR”

For the full October 26, 2002 speech by Barack Obama google obama oct 2002 iraq

Somehow all those years of experience that Hillary likes to brag about did not give her better judgement than Barack Obama.

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Hillary Clinton did not know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost

Filed under: BARACK OBAMA, Bush, life, mideast, news, politics, war — gasdocpol @ 11:52 am

Hillary also did not know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

And by her own admission Hillary did not know the the Iraq War would be a dumb war.

ALL THAT BY HER OWN ADMISSION WHEN SHE SAID IN EFFECT ” IF I KNEW THEN WHAT OBAMA KNEW THEN, I WOULD NOT HAVE VOTED FOR THE WAR”

For the full October 26, 2002 speech by Barack Obama google obama oct 2002 iraq

Somehow those 35 years of experience that Hillary likes to brag about did not give her better judgement than Barack Obama.

January 30, 2008

SUPPOSE OBAMA HAD TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT USING U.S. MILITARY FORCE

Filed under: BARACK OBAMA, Bush, life, mideast, news, politics, Uncategorized, war — gasdocpol @ 7:51 pm

AND BE ABLE TO CORRECTLY ASSESS THE REACTION OF THE REST OF THE WORLD TO THAT DECISION?

Barack Obama DID do that. So did Hillary. Obama got it right. Hillary said in effect “If I KNEW then what Obama KNEW then, I would have not voted for the war”

What did Obama KNOW and Hillary not KNOW?

Obama said

“I KNOW that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I KNOW that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars.”

SO MUCH FOR HILLARY’S “EXPERIENCE” DID SHE HAVE 35 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE OR ONE YEAR OF EXPERIENCE 35 TIMES?

January 26, 2008

HILLARY HAS IMPLICITLY ADMITTED THAT SHE DID NOT KNOW IN 2002 WHAT OBAMA KNEW IN 2002

Filed under: BARACK OBAMA, Bush, life, mideast, news, politics, war — gasdocpol @ 4:12 pm

THESE ARE DIRECT QUOTES

1. Tuesday, December 19, 2006 Hillary Clinton told the “Today” show that she wouldn’t have voted for the war in Iraq if only she KNEW then what she knows now.

2. October 26, 2002 Barack Obama said ” But I also KNOW that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.

I KNOW that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences.

I KNOW that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

AFTER ALL THOSE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE HILLARY STILL DID NOT KNOW AS MUCH AS OBAMA DID EVEN BEFORE HE WAS IN THE US SENATE.

I DO NOT GIVE A RAT’S PETUTIE IF A BLACK IS NEVER ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THE USA

Filed under: BARACK OBAMA, Bush, life, news, politics, war — Tags: — gasdocpol @ 2:50 pm

BARACK OBAMA IS A HIGHLY QUALIFIED PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE WHO HAPPENS TO BE BLACK.

That is why, at the age of 69, I drove from Central Illinois to Eastern Iowa and spent 5 days freezing my white butt off campaigning door-to-door for Barack Obama prior to the Iowa Caucus.

My definition of common sense is the ability to make good decisions without the benefit of special training or experience.

Barack Obama showed uncommon common sense when he decided to oppose the Iraq invasion in October 2002.

Obama also KNEW things that Hillary has implicitly admitted that she DID NOT KNOW when she voted for the war in 2002.

THESE ARE DIRECT QUOTES

1. Tuesday, December 19, 2006 Hillary Clinton told the “Today” show that she wouldn’t have voted for the war in Iraq if only she KNEW then what she knows now.

2. October 26, 2002 Barack Obama said ” But I also KNOW that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.

I KNOW that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences.

I KNOW that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

It seems reasonable to conclude that, despite the vast experience that Hillary claims to have had, she did not KNOW some things that Obama KNEW. Alternatively, Hillary knew those things but did not have the common sense and/or judgement to decide that Iraq would be a dumb war.

Experience did not give Hillary either the knowledge or the judgement or both to get it right about the Iraq invasion.

BARACK OBAMA’S FULL SPEECH ON OCTOBER 26, 2002

Filed under: BARACK OBAMA, Bush, life, mideast, news, politics, war — gasdocpol @ 1:32 pm

WHAT OBAMA KNEW AND HILLARY DID NOT KNOW WHEN SHE VOTED FOR A DUMB WAR.

Delivered on 26 October 2002 at an anti-war rally in Chicago by Barack Obama, Illinois Senator.

Good afternoon. Let me begin by saying that although this has been billed as an anti-war rally, I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances.

The Civil War was one of the bloodiest in history, and yet it was only through the crucible of the sword, the sacrifice of multitudes, that we could begin to perfect this union, and drive the scourge of slavery from our soil. I don’t oppose all wars.

My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton’s army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain.

I don’t oppose all wars.

After September 11th, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this Administration’s pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such a tragedy from happening again.

I don’t oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income – to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.

That’s what I’m opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.

Now let me be clear – I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity.

He’s a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.

But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.

I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars.

So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the president today. You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s finish the fight with Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to make sure that the UN inspectors can do their work, and that we vigorously enforce a non-proliferation treaty, and that former enemies and current allies like Russia safeguard and ultimately eliminate their stores of nuclear material, and that nations like Pakistan and India never use the terrible weapons already in their possession, and that the arms merchants in our own country stop feeding the countless wars that rage across the globe.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to make sure our so-called allies in the Middle East, the Saudis and the Egyptians, stop oppressing their own people, and suppressing dissent, and tolerating corruption and inequality, and mismanaging their economies so that their youth grow up without education, without prospects, without hope, the ready recruits of terrorist cells.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to wean ourselves off Middle East oil, through an energy policy that doesn’t simply serve the interests of Exxon and Mobil.

Those are the battles that we need to fight. Those are the battles that we willingly join. The battles against ignorance and intolerance. Corruption and greed. Poverty and despair.

The consequences of war are dire, the sacrifices immeasurable. We may have occasion in our lifetime to once again rise up in defense of our freedom, and pay the wages of war. But we ought not – we will not – travel down that hellish path blindly. Nor should we allow those who would march off and pay the ultimate sacrifice, who would prove the full measure of devotion with their blood, to make such an awful sacrifice in vain

MORE OF WHAT OBAMA SAID IN OCTOBER 2002 ABOUT DUMB WARS

Filed under: BARACK OBAMA, Bush, life, mideast, news, politics, war — gasdocpol @ 12:59 pm

“I don’t oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income – to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.

That’s what I’m opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.”

Hillary Clinton, of course, disagreed with that and she voted for a dumb war.

BARACK OBAMA SHOWED UNCOMMON COMMON SENSE IN OCTOBER 2002

Filed under: BARACK OBAMA, Bush, life, mideast, news, politics, war — gasdocpol @ 12:19 pm

MY DEFINITION OF COMMON SENSE IS THE ABILITY TO MAKE A GOOD DECISION WITHOUT HAVING HAD SPECIAL EXPERIENCE OR TRAINING.

It is not that Obama guessed right about the Iraq invasion. What is significant is that Obama had a sufficient grasp of world affairs that allowed him to forsee the possible consequences of such an invasion when he said.

“I KNOW that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.”

Apparently Hillary, for all her vast experience, did not KNOW that.

Obama had enough knowledge about the military and common sense to say the following

“I KNOW that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences.

Obama said “I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars.”

By her own admission , Hillary did not KNOW those things and that is why she voted for a dumb war.

THE NY TIMES HAS ENDORSED HILLARY CLINTON

Filed under: BARACK OBAMA, Bush, life, mideast, news, politics, war — gasdocpol @ 12:01 pm

I disagree with the NY Times.

I disagree with their conclusion about “firstness”. That is not the reason that I supported Obama ( I, personally, do not give a rat’s petutie if a Black ever becomes president) and I know from my campaigning that making a woman President is the source of much of Hillary’s support.

It is not because Obama got it right about the Iraq war but rather Obama’s grasp of international politics, common sense and judgement that allowed him to get it right.

LET ME PAUSE TO GIVE MY DEFINITION OF COMMON SENSE. IT IS THE ABILITY TO MAKE A GOOD DECISION WITHOUT HAVING HAD SPECIAL EXPERIENCE OR TRAINING.

BARACK OBAMA SHOWED UNCOMMON COMMON SENSE WHEN HE OPPOSED THE IRAQ WAR. Common sense was very uncommon among Americans in our march to the Iraq fiasco.

Hillary’s 8 years in the US Senate is optimal? Obama’s 4 years is too little? At that rate, what about Biden’s 30 years? That is over 3 1/2 times as much experience as Hillary. Would that have made Biden 3 1/2 times more capable than Hillary?

The scorched earth policy that Bill Clinton is carrying out to get his wife elected seems likely to me to do bad things in the primaries to the Democratic Party and to the country in the general election. Bill Clinton may well succeed in getting back to the White House but we may well end up with an America even more divided and cynically bitter than it is now.

I voted for Bill Clinton twice against very capable opponents (Dole and GHW Bush) and I think that I made a good choice then. Now I am starting to see the arrogance that has spawned so many Clinton haters. I am starting to see the downside of putting Bill Clinton back in the White House.

It was a shame the the GOP was able to sabbotage Bills Clinton’s presidency with the impeachment but, in great part, his shenanigans with Monica brought that on. At the time, I saw the affair as consentual between two adults in private and having nothing to do with the Presidency. I now see it as part of a pattern of arrogance, selfishness and egotism.

William Jefferson Clinton seems to me to be ready to tear apart his party and the country to continue his power trip and to enhance his legacy.

I watched in horror as :

1. The Democrats threatened Nixon with impeachment (I think that he should have been censured ) It did result in Gerald Ford being President who was a fine President for 2 years.

2. Clinton was impeached and his presidency sabbotaged by the GOP. (He should have been censured)

3. George W. Bush was elected in 2000. He turned out far worse than I could ever imagine.

4. The Democrats chose Kerry/Edwards in 2004. They were my 5th and 6th choices respectively.

It will give me no pleasure to be right again.

Obama seems to me to have the best chance of uniting our country and restoring its place in the world.

January 25, 2008

HILLARY HAS SUBSTANCE – BAD SUBSTANCE – THAT HAS RESULTED IN THE NEEDLESS LOSS OF LIFE, MONEY AND THE REPUTATION OF THE USA

Filed under: BARACK OBAMA, Bush, life, mideast, news, politics, war — gasdocpol @ 7:21 pm

HILLARY NOW, IN EFFECT, SAYS THAT IF SHE KNEW THEN WHAT BARACK OBAMA KNEW THEN SHE WOULD NOT HAVE VOTED FOR THE IRAQ WAR.

What did Obama know then that Hillary did not know then? ON OCT 26,2002 OBAMA SAID.

“I KNOW that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I KNOW that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars.”

Lest you think that I am taking something out of context google obama oct 2002 iraq.

While you are at it google hillary Oct 2002 iraq or edwards oct 2002 iraq

WHAT DID HILLARY NOT KNOW?

1. HILLARY DID NOT KNOW that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences.

2. HILLARY DID NOT I KNOW that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

WHAT WAS HILLARY DOING DURING ALL THOSE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE ?

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