Liberalscum Buster

January 31, 2008

Hillary Clinton did not know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost

Filed under: BARACK OBAMA, Bush, life, mideast, news, politics, war — gasdocpol @ 11:52 am

Hillary also did not know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

And by her own admission Hillary did not know the the Iraq War would be a dumb war.

ALL THAT BY HER OWN ADMISSION WHEN SHE SAID IN EFFECT ” IF I KNEW THEN WHAT OBAMA KNEW THEN, I WOULD NOT HAVE VOTED FOR THE WAR”

For the full October 26, 2002 speech by Barack Obama google obama oct 2002 iraq

Somehow those 35 years of experience that Hillary likes to brag about did not give her better judgement than Barack Obama.

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4 Comments »

  1. lets get the facts straight. At the time, 9-11, the united states was attacked by terrorist. Many THOUSANDS of lives were lost on that dredfull day. The american people wanted action! Now, the facts after that is where things went wrong. The Bush administration presented strong “evidence” that surely appeared that Iraq was the source. At the time, voting for the war is what the majority of America supported. As a result – most of Congress backed Bush up, based on the information he, the president, presented. Collen Powell, a highly regarded black person that we all respected, also highly supprted this and made the case very convincing. The media also made the case for war. At the time the decision was pretty clear, except that of the cowardly liberal point of views. We did not know what we know now – let’s all remember that when you think of the FACTS. As the facts and truths came out over time, most everyone then became upset over being MISLED by the administration and as a result responded against the war. this is a “duh” moment in a distorted history thanks to BUSH. Clinton’s support and, later retraction of the war is highly respected and understood by those that know the facts based on the timeline of events that occured.
    The ultra liberals are clearly against Clinton because she has a back bone and can admitt when she’s wrong and is a strong leader, with real experience, that will be able to make hard decissions as this country will obviously encounter with possible future threats that seams inevitable. I know she will base her desission, should she choose to go to war as president, based on facts and the truth and not mislead this great country. I do not think Obamba has the ability to make that kind of decission because he’s caught up in day dreaming and hoping things will be all “pretty and pink and happy”. Let’s be realistic and face the FACTS. If you think things are becoming hard now, just wait. Things are getting worse and worse with the most countries civil unrest and violence. It will be a matter of time before things spill over here in one form or another. Do you really think a dreamer is going to be able to wish things away with hope or will you begin to realize, for the ones that support Obamba, that you made a terrible mistake that you voted for a dreamer rather than a leader with experience. Probably not until you wake up one day and see an invasion happening, like China or some other major country or terrorist organization that actually attacks us… what then. Does Obamba have what it takes to deal with that. That answer is clear, based on his inabilities, the answer would be NO.

    Comment by Mike — January 31, 2008 @ 1:21 pm

  2. I think you’re spot on. People need to read the speech:

    http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Barack_Obama's_Iraq_Speech

    When having to choose, this speech speaks louder than any speech Obama makes and louder than any chant that his “fans” are making. This is the REAL difference between Obama and Hillary. As voters, it’s our responsibility to ask ourselves, “Who has the right Moral Compass to lead our nation in the right direction.”

    Comment by Rugaba — January 31, 2008 @ 2:15 pm

  3. Mike, Thank you for your input.

    The fact that Obama was right when so many other people were wrong should give him more credibility than less. The ability to not to be blinded by groupthink is a desreable quality in a leader.

    I assume that you have read the things that Obama KNEW as evidenced by his speech and have properly appreciated that Hillary did not KNOW those things. Do I have any arguement here?

    [Now we could discuss how the members of PNAC (Project for the New American Century): Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Bolton, Libby et al were GW Bush’s top advisors. And Colin Powell’s chief of staff said that the White House was run by a Neoconservative cabal headed by Cheney and Rumsfeld and that the PNAC agenda for the USA to take over the world came off the shelf in January 2001 and we were lied into invading Iraq BUT THEN YOU WOULD SAY THAT I WAS A CONSPIRACY NUT]

    SO LET US ASSUME THAT GW BUSH MADE AN HONEST MISTAKE AND DID NOT DELIBERATELY LIE US INTO THE IRAQ FIASCO.

    Do you dispute any of the following points?

    1. None of the 9/11 hijackers were from Iraq.

    2. The world, including Arabs rose up as one to throw Saddam out of Kuwait.

    3. Saddam’s army was greatly diminished in Desert Storm and indeed it was not very formidable against the USA in any case.

    4. Saddam would have to have been both extremely stupid and extremely crazy to attack the USA which spent more on defense than the next 12 countries in the world combined.

    5. Even if, indeed , Saddam had acquired some nukes, it would be no match for the massive arsenal of the USA.

    6. If 19 Arabs, rightly or wrongly, hated the USA so much that they would carry out a suicide mission just to make a statement, what would be the effect on moderate Arabs of the USA invading an oil-rich Arab country that had not attacked the USA and was no danger to the USA? And indeed what would the rest of the world think about that?

    Clearly the Iraq invasion was not only inappropriate but also counterproductive. And that is not to say how much it has cost us in lives, money and international goodwill.

    Hillary Clinton either was naive enough to believe the fabrications of Bush/Cheney or was going along with them thinking of the USA getting control of Iraqi oil.

    Comment by gasdocpol — January 31, 2008 @ 4:44 pm

  4. Mike,

    You wrote a long response to my post and clearly feel strongly. A few other points that I would like to make:

    1. Hillary has NOT admitted her mistake. She continues to put lipstick on that pig.

    2. Experience ,in itself means nothing. IF EXPERIENCE DOES NOT RESULT IN THE ACQUISION OF JUDGEMENT IT MEANS NOTHING.

    Obama had enough experience and enough common sense to have the judgement to have gotten it right.

    I am 69 years old. I was a physician for over 33 years and an officer in the Merchant Marine and a Naval Reserve officer for seven years before that. I went to a military academy. I have an MBA. I have studied and thought about and had experience in leadership. I have opinions about the role of experience, common sense and training in the aquisituion of judgement. I have the perspective of seeing the interaction of training, experience , common sense, judgement and performance in the military, business and health care.

    With all due respect, I have been around the block a few times and I think that Obama is far more than a naive dreamer who can make a speech. I have contributed significantly to his campaign and have driven from Central Illinois to campaign for him door-to-door in Iowa, freezing my butt off in the process.

    Comment by gasdocpol — February 1, 2008 @ 2:19 pm


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