Liberalscum Buster

May 1, 2008

GW BUSH WAS NOT SEEN AS AN ELITIST

Filed under: BARACK OBAMA, Bush, hillary clinton, John McCain, life, mideast, news, politics, war — gasdocpol @ 3:33 pm

HE WAS THE KIND OF GUY PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A BEER WITH.

GW Bush and John McCain come from extermely similar backgrounds. Both got into and through ELITE universities as legacies because they both had extremely successful fathers and grandfathers.

Both became undisciplined anti-intellectuals. Both were screw ups. McCain wants to continue the same economic and Iraq policies that GW Bush started.

Obama got into and through (brilliantly) elite universities on his own.

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5 Comments »

  1. As someone who works for the admissions office for one of the service academies, serves on two Democratic Senator’s service academy selection boards, went to one of the academies, had a son who went to another, had a cousin in John McCain’s class (USNA ’58), all I can say is you are all clueless about what it takes to get into a service academy, and what life is like at one. I’d sooner work with the bottom of the class from any academies than number 1 in any class at Harvard — I would know absolutely that the service academy grad earned everything they got, their word could be trusted — with my life, if needed, and that they understood a hard work ethic. There is a very broad misconception that because your parent or relative is high ranking or a grad that somehow that gives you an advantage in the admissions process. It is not the case. In recent years the child of the head of admissions at one of the academies did not make the competitive cut and that was it. If you are the son or daughter of a Congressional Medal of Honor winner, you are given a pass to one of the two required steps to admission, but you still have to compete on the second step.

    Comment by Johne — May 3, 2008 @ 12:29 pm

  2. I too am a graduate of a service academy. I know that Gen. Alexander Haig had a son at West Point and he was a total space cadet and he got through.I have seen other examples.

    It is hearsay but makes sense that professors at Yale were told not to flunk GW Bush.

    Sorry to be so short but I am on my way to indiana to campaign for Obama.

    Comment by gasdocpol — May 3, 2008 @ 1:13 pm

  3. I am back from my day of campaigning in Indiana for Obama. I read the note of johne rather hastily before I left. I suggest that he address his remarks to people more clueless than me. (I wonder if HE has a clue as to what it takes to become a physician and to get through the board certification process and to make life and death decisions on a daily basis.)

    John McCain flew 23 combat missions, unlike the 100 missions that the average Air Force pilot flew over Vietnam and the over 300 combat missions that many Navy pilots had flown.

    McCain’s service was honorable and possibly commendable but I question whether it qualifies as heroic. And, indeed if it were heroic, does it qualify him to be President ??

    Comment by gasdocpol — May 4, 2008 @ 1:32 am

  4. Let me first of all say that I find all three contenders for the presidency to be unacceptable. They are all revolting to me and the next 4 to 8 years will be dreadful, even in contrast to the last 19. While I will ultimately vote for one of them, I do so without the delight I would prefer. So, my comment below is striclty objective, and not partisan.

    That said, your analysis of McCain’s combat missions relative to “averages” is rather pointless. I think it safe to say that had McCain not been shot down and made a POW, he would have flown more missions. To hold him in lower regard because his missions were fewer than those fortunate enough to have not been shot down and captured, (which I think was your intent) is intellectually dishonest at best.

    Furhermore, I don’t recall that he has been hanging his qualification to be president on his military service. Yes, he mentions it as a part of his life experience and a formative one at that, but I seem to hear him speak more about his years of service in the Senate as being the basis of his qualification for office. And that, frankly, is all he needs to talk about, as that is essentially the ONLY qualification that the other two bring as well. Obama’s experience as an elected official in Illinois is of no value nationally, and I find Hillary’s experience as First Lady to be a real stretch in terms of preparation for waht some call “the most powerful job in the world.”

    Comment by Chuck — May 4, 2008 @ 10:41 pm

  5. Chuck

    I think that 23 combat missions is honorable and commendable and I am not criticizing him for not flying more. I am saying that the 23 he did fly did not qualify him as a war hero any more than anyone else who got shot at in Vietnam. There are people that have been convinced that

    A. McCain is a war hero and
    B. That in some way qualifies him to be president.
    c. and they will go to the voting booth and pull the lever for McCain as a result of that misrepresentation.

    He has parlayed a myth into 28 medals and credibility among his Senate Colleagues.

    In his 26 years in the US senate, he has never taken the trouble to get a handle on economics or to understand who are the players in Mideast politics.

    His bluster and bombast have bullshitted a lot of people.

    I consider Obama’s 8 years in the Illinois Senate and 4 years in the US Senate to be significant. I think that his analysis of the proposed Iraq invasion in 2002 demonstrated intelligence, knowledge , judgemen t and decision making ability.

    Obama’s message has gotten through to me but apparently not to you.

    Comment by gasdocpol — May 4, 2008 @ 11:02 pm


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