Liberalscum Buster

May 10, 2008

McCAIN DID NOT LOSE HIS BEARINGS.

Filed under: BARACK OBAMA, Bush, hillary clinton, John McCain, life, mideast, news, politics, war — gasdocpol @ 1:51 pm

HE NEVER HAD THEM…. WHEN YOUR FATHER AND GRANDFATHER WERE BOTH 4 STAR ADMIRALS YOU DON’T NEED BEARINGS EVEN IN NAVIGATION CLASS AT THE NAVAL ACADEMY. *

* In navigation, a bearing is the direction one object is from another object. In navigation, it is usually the direction of an object from one’s own vessel.

McCain lost at least 3 navy planes because his bearings were out of whack.

McCain lost five U.S. Navy aircraft.

According to
Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain

Navy pilot John Sidney McCain III should have never been allowed to graduate from the U.S. Navy flight school. He was a below average student and a lousy pilot. Had his father and grandfather not been famous four star U.S. Navy admirals, McCain III would have never been allowed in the cockpit of a military aircraft.

His father John S. “Junior” McCain was commander of U.S. forces in Europe later becoming commander of American forces in Vietnam while McCain III was being held prisoner of war. McCain III’s grandfather John S. McCain, Sr. commanded naval aviation at the Battle of Okinawa in 1945.

During his relative short stunt on flight status, McCain III lost five U.S. Navy aircraft, four in accidents and one in combat.

Robert Timberg, author of The Nightingale’s Song, a book about Annapolis graduates and their tours in Vietnam, wrote that McCain “learned to fly at Pensacola, though his performance was below par, at best good enough to get by. He liked flying, but didn’t love it.”

McCain III lost jet number one in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus Christi Bay while practicing landings. He was knocked unconscious by the impact coming to as the plane settled to the bottom.

McCain’s second crash occurred while he was deployed in the Mediterranean. “Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula,” Timberg wrote, “he took out some power lines [reminiscent of the 1998 incident in which a Marine Corps jet sliced through the cables of a gondola at an Italian ski resort, killing 20] which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the son of an admiral.”

McCain’s third crash three occurred when he was returning from flying a Navy trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game.

Timberg reported that McCain radioed, “I’ve got a flameout” and went through standard relight procedures three times before ejecting at one thousand feet. McCain landed on a deserted beach moments before the plane slammed into a clump of trees.

McCain’s fourth aircraft loss occurred July 29, 1967, soon after he was assigned to the USS Forrestal as an A-4 Skyhawk pilot. While seated in the cockpit of his aircraft waiting his turn for takeoff, an accidently fired rocket slammed into McCain’s plane. He escaped from the burning aircraft, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors, destroyed at least 20 aircraft, and threatened to sink the ship.

McCain’s fifth loss happened during his 23rd mission over North Vietnam on Oct. 26, 1967, when McCain’s A-4 Skyhawk was shot down by a surface-to-air missile. McCain ejected from the plane breaking both arms and a leg in the process and subsequently parachuted into Truc Bach Lake near Hanoi.

After being drug from the lake, a mob gathered around McCain, spit on him, kicked him and stripped him of his clothing. He was bayoneted in his left foot and his shoulder crushed by a rifle butt. He was then transported to the Hoa Lo Prison, also known as the Hanoi Hilton.

After being periodically slapped around for “three or four days” by his captors who wanted military information, McCain called for an officer on his fourth day of captivity. He told the officer, “O.K., I’ll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital.” -U.S. News and World Report, May 14, 1973 article written by former POW John McCain.

“Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate my medical treatment if I [McCain] did not cooperate. Eventually, I gave them my ship’s name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant.” Page 193-194, Faith of My Fathers by John McCain.

When the communist learned that McCain’s father was Admiral John S. McCain, Jr., the soon-to-be commander of all U.S. Forces in the Pacific, he was rushed to Gai Lam military hospital (U.S. government documents), a medical facility normally unavailable for U.S. POWs.

The communist Vietnamese figured, because POW McCain’s father was of such high military rank, that he was of royalty or the governing circle. Thereafter the communist bragged that they had captured “the crown prince.”

For 23 combat missions (an estimated 20 hours over enemy territory), the U.S. Navy awarded McCain a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a dozen service medals.

“McCain had roughly 20 hours in combat,” explains Bill Bell, a veteran of Vietnam and former chief of the U.S. Office for POW/MIA Affairs — the first official U.S. representative in Vietnam since the 1973 fall of Saigon. “Since McCain got 28 medals,” Bell continues, “that equals out to about a medal-and-a-half for each hour he spent in combat. There were infantry guys — grunts on the ground — who had more than 7,000 hours in combat and I can tell you that there were times and situations where I’m sure a prison cell would have looked pretty good to them by comparison. The question really is how many guys got that number of medals for not being shot down.”

For years, McCain has been an unchecked master at manipulating an overly friendly and biased news media. The former POW turned Congressman, turned U.S. Senator, has managed to gloss over his failures as a pilot and collaborations with the enemy by exaggerating his military service and lying about his feats of heroism.

McCain has sprouted a halo and wings to become America’s POW-hero presidential candidate.

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3 Comments »

  1. How little real information is contained in this diatribe. I have been associated with the admissions process for all of the service academies for decades (serving on two senator’s service academy selection board. I went to the Air Force Academy and my son to the Naval Academy. Other than providing a family tradition, McCain’s father and grandfather, regardless of rank, could not get him into the Naval Academy. I have a cousin who was a classmate of McCain’s USNA ’58 and I know that his admissions process was similar to my own. Regardless of McCain’s class rank (which has little to do with whether or not you graduate, or whether or not you turn out to be a good officer), his fellow POW’s (and I presently work with one of them) hold McCain in highest regard. I also work with another aviator who was a Blue Angel, CO of TOPGUN, and a carrier who lost more aircraft than John did. Clearly the author of the above piece has an incredible bias and little actual knowledge.

    Comment by Johne — May 10, 2008 @ 10:24 pm

  2. I agree that the service academies are ranked as the most competitive institutions of higher learning in the USA. (The same thing is true of Yale.)

    I agree that class rank does not necessarily predict either intelligence or later success. I can cite one example of the valedictorian in his class at a service academy who had received an engineering degree and never amounted to anything and the lowest ranked member of his class who was the the first to wear the four stripes of Captain.

    Politics can intervene. There were two plebes at a service academy in the ’50s who pulled a caper which normally would have caused them to be expelled. The Admiral received phone calls from JFK and Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. and they were kept on.

    A midshipman at the Naval Academy in the “50s” was an All American lineman and all that was required to graduate in his class that year was to stay above him on the curve.

    A well known General had a son at West Point who was a total space cadet who most likely got some help from his dad.

    Just as we cannot say that all Air Force Academy Cadets are rapists, neither can we say that all Naval Academy graduates are by definition superior to anyone who did not attend a service academy.

    That said,I agree that service academies have the highest academic standards in addition to the rigorous military training that is involved.

    I FIND THAT LITTLE INFORMATION IS PROVIDED IN SUPPORT OF WHY JOHN McCAIN SHOULD BE CONSIDERED A WAR HERO. McCAIN FLEW 23 COMBAT MISSIONS THAT AS FAR AS I KNOW WERE NOT EXCEPTIONAL OR HEROIC.

    John Glenn had 149 combat missionsand actually shot down some MIGs over Korea. The best information that I have is that in Vietnam, the average Air Force pilot had 100 and many navy pilots had over 300. If you have some other information , please let me have your source. While grunts on the ground spent many thousands of hours in combat, McCain spent about 20.

    Comment by gasdocpol — May 11, 2008 @ 4:02 pm

  3. So far Johne has not questioned the information I have submitted. I specifically asked him to correct me if he had some information to the contrary.

    I take him at his word that he has been involved in the selection of cadets and midshipmen for the federal Service academies. As such, he should have access to information which should refute what I have said if it is untrue.

    I WOULD NOT WANT TO CONTINUE SAYING THAT I QUESTION McCAIN’S HERO STATUS IF IT IS NOT OPEN TO QUESTION.

    IT IS BAD ENOUGH THAT McCAIN HAS GOTTEN SO MUCH MILEAGE FROM HIS WAR HERO STATUS WHICH I THINK DOES NOT IN ITSELF QUALIFY HIM TO BE PRESIDENT. IT WOULD BE WORSE YET IF EVEN THAT WAR HERO STATUS WERE FABRICATED .

    WE WERE LIED INTO THE IRAQ FIASCO. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE PRESIDENT LYING TO AMERICANS IF NATIONAL SECURITY IS INVOLVED. I HAVE NO PROBLEM IF THE PRESIDENT LIES BECAUSE IT IS TO A QUESTION THAT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ASKED AS IN THE LEWINSKY AFFAIR.

    I HAVE A HUGE PROBLEM WITH LYING US INTO THE IRAQ FIASCO WHEN THE MOTIVES WERE TO BENEFIT THE IMPERIALISTIC NEOCONSERVATIVES, BIG OIL AND DEFENSE CONTRACTORS.

    I DO NOT WANT TO BE GUILTY OF LYING. I WANT TO MAKE MY CASE ON ITS OWN MERITS.

    Comment by gasdocpol — June 1, 2008 @ 3:11 pm


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