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May 28, 2008

JOHN McCAIN’S NAVAL CAREER TELLS HOW HE WOULD BE AS COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF

Filed under: BARACK OBAMA, Bush, hillary clinton, John McCain, life, mideast, news, politics, war — gasdocpol @ 6:34 pm

The spoiled son of military privilege got a free ride throughout his military career despite repeated instances of sex scandals and screw-ups
By Ted Sampley
U.S. Veteran Dispatch
January 27, 2008
John Sidney McCain III entered the United States Naval Academy at Annapolis, Maryland in 1954. Young McCain wanted to become an admiral. He planned to be the “first son and grandson of four star admirals” to achieve such a distinction. But that was not to be. McCain III possessed none of the innate character and discipline traits that helped mold his father and grandfather into great military leaders.

His father, John S. “Junior” McCain, and grandfather, John S. McCain, Sr., were famous four-star Admirals in the U.S. Navy. His father commanded U.S. forces in Europe before becoming commander of American forces fighting in Vietnam. His grandfather commanded naval aviation at the Battle of Okinawa in 1945. Both men became highly influential in U.S. Navy operations.

At the Academy, aside being known as a “rowdy, raunchy, underachiever” who resented authority, Midshipman McCain became infamous as a leader among his fellow midshipmen for organizing “off-Yard activities” and hard drinking parties. Robert Timberg wrote in his book, The Nightingale’s Song, that “being on liberty with John McCain was like being in a train wreck.”

McCain’s grades were “marginal.” He drew so many demerits for breaking curfew and other discipline issues that he graduated fifth from the bottom of the class of 1958. Despite his low “class standing,” and no doubt because of the influence of his family of famous Admirals, McCain was leap-frogged ahead of more qualified applicants and granted a coveted slot to be trained as a navy pilot.

Good Party Animal – Bad Pilot:

He spent the next two and a half years as a “naval aviator in training” at Naval Air Station Pensacola in Florida and Naval Air Station Corpus Christi in Texas, flying A-1 Skyraiders.

While a pilot trainee, McCain continued to party hard. He drove a Corvette and dated an exotic dancer named “Marie the Flame of Florida.” Timberg wrote that McCain “learned to fly at Pensacola, though his performance was below par, at best good enough to get by. He liked flying, but didn’t love it.”

McCain Lost Five Military Aircraft

McCain, the “below par” pilot, eventually lost 5 military aircraft, the first during a training flight in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus Christi Bay while trying to land. The Navy ignored the crash and graduated McCain in 1960.

While deployed in the Mediterranean, the hard partying McCain lost a second aircraft. Timberg described the crash: “Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula, he took out some power lines which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the son of an admiral.”

Unscathed, McCain returned to Pensacola Station where he was promoted to flight instructor for Naval Air Station Meridian in Mississippi. The airfield at Meridian, McCain Field, was named in honor of McCain’s grandfather.

In 1964 McCain became involved with Carol Shepp, a model from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, he had met at Annapolis. They were married in Philadelphia on July 3, 1965.

Flight instructor McCain lost a third aircraft while flying a Navy trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game. Timberg wrote that McCain radioed, “I’ve got a flameout” before ejecting at one thousand feet. McCain parachuted onto a beach moments before his plane slammed into a clump of trees.

The Navy dismissed the crash as “unavoidable” and assigned McCain to the aircraft carrier USS Forrestal in December 1966, which was patrolling the Mediterranean Sea and Atlantic Ocean. In Spring 1967, the Forrestal was assigned to join the Operation Rolling Thunder bombing campaign against North Vietnam.

McCain lost his fourth plane on board the Forrestal on July 29, 1967 when a rocket inadvertently slammed into his bomb laden jet. McCain escaped, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors. McCain was transferred from the badly damaged Forrestal to the USS Oriskany. Shortly afterwards, on Oct. 26, 1967, he was shot down and captured by the Vietnamese.

Post-POW Years: Political Ambition and a New, Young, Rich Wife

Upon his release from North Vietnam and return to the United States in 1973, McCain reunited with his wife, Carol, who had been permanently crippled in a car accident while he was a POW.

Still yearning to become an admiral, McCain enrolled in the National War College at Fort McNair in Washington, D.C. and underwent physical therapy in order to fly again. The Navy excused his permanent disabilities and reinstated him to flight status, effectively positioning him for promotion.

Timberg described McCain’s advancement: “in the fall of 1974, McCain was transferred to Jacksonville as the executive officer of Replacement Air Group 174, the long-sought flying billet at last a reality. A few months later, he assumed command of the RAG, which trained pilots and crews for carrier deployments. The assignment was controversial, some calling it favoritism, a sop to the famous son of a famous father and grandfather, since he had not first commanded a squadron, the usual career path.”

While Executive Officer and later as Squadron Commander McCain used his authority to arrange frequent flights that allowed him to carouse with subordinates and “engage in extra-marital affairs.”

This was a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice rules against adultery and fraternization with subordinates. But, as with all his other past behaviors, McCain was never penalized; instead he always got away with his transgressions.

Timberg wrote, “Off duty, usually on routine cross-country flights to Yuma and El Centro, John started carousing and running around with women. To make matters worse, some of the women with whom he was linked by rumor were subordinates . . . At the time the rumors were so widespread that, true or not, they became part of McCain’s persona, impossible not to take note of.”

In early 1977, Admiral Jim Holloway, Chief of Naval Operations promoted McCain to captain and transferred him from his command position “to Washington as the number-two man in the Navy’s Senate liaison office. McCain was promptly given total control of the office. It wasn’t long before the “fun loving and irreverent” McCain had turned the liaison office into a “late-afternoon gathering spot where senators and staffers, usually from the Armed Services and Foreign Relations committees, would drop in for a drink and the chance to unwind.”

In 1979, while attending a military reception in Hawaii, McCain met and fell in love with Cindy Lou Hensley, 17 years his junior, who was the daughter of James W. Hensley, a wealthy Anheuser-Busch distributor from Phoenix, Arizona. McCain filed for and obtained an uncontested divorce from his wife in Florida on April 2, 1980 and promptly married Cindy on May 17, 1980.

He resigned from the Navy in 1981 and went to work for his father-in-law in Phoenix; where he used the opportunity to make powerful and wealthy friends in Arizona including banker Charles Keating and Duke Tully, the editor-in-chief of the Arizona Republic. Keating was later convicted of fraud, racketeering, and conspiracy and Tully was disgraced for concocting a phony military record of combat in Korea and Vietnam including medals for heroism.

McCain ran for Arizona’s First Congressional District in 1982. McCain won the congressional seat. In 1987 McCain was elected to the Senate.

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25 Comments »

  1. There are two problems with this story: 1) it assumes and has the undertone that dating a exotic dancer is somehow a bad thing; and 2) it focuses upon events that are so far in the past, that they are irrelevant today. If we were to forever judge each person based upon the worst moment(s) in their past, what would be the point of moving on, growing up, and striving to be a better person? Whether or not Mr. McCain is the right person for the job, attention should be given to who he is now, and not his conduct as a near adolescent.

    Comment by Matt Gray — May 29, 2008 @ 12:51 pm

  2. Matt gray,
    Your points are well taken.

    JFK was a womanizer but he was all business between adventures and it was not as if Bill Clinton was being serviced during all of his waking hours by Ms Lewinsky.

    However,far from the exotic dancer story being an isolated incident, in the Navy, John McCain was defined as a raunchy party boy and risk-taking hotdogging flyboy who lost 5 planes including the US Forrestal fire disaster in 1967. Some claim he started the whole thing by ‘wet starting’ his A-4 Skyhawk which caused the Zuni rocket on the F-4 to shoot a hole in the fuel tank on his A-4. McCain escaped but 167 Navy personnel died in the disaster. It is possible that the whole thing was an accident, just an electrical failure but why was McCain transferred immediately from the Forrestal. McCain was quickly transferred because the remaining crewmen wanted to hang him because of what he did.

    He parlayed his hot temper, 23 unexceptional combat missions during 20 hours of actual combat into 28 medals and the image of war hero.

    There is nothing to suggest to me that he has the mental discipline or military expertise to be commander-in-Chief.

    Comment by gasdocpol — May 29, 2008 @ 2:21 pm

  3. In re: McCain supposedly causing the USS Forrestal fire. The story floating around that McCain’s “wet burn” or “wet start” damaged the A-4 parked behind him and so created a chain reaction of fires and explosions does not make any sense. Navy aircraft aren’t parked in horizontal rows so that the thrust of jet exhaust can cook the plane behind it; they are parked aft around the flight deck’s perimeter with their tails pointing over the nearest side. Even if McCain did have a reputation for “wet burns” (and I’m not saying he did), it wouldn’t have caused another plane to fire its Zuni rocket or to catch fire.

    Too many witnesses from the day of the Forrestal fire said that the Zuni missile that caused the fire zoomed across the flight deck into either McCain’s plane, an A-F, or the one parked next to McCain. That first missile failed to explode as it collided with the plane but it did rupture the plane’s fuel tanks, spilling fuel on deck and igniting it. The Zuni did eventually explode due to the high temperature of the flames.

    McCain’s aviation history prior to that day was poor; he’d already lost three aircraft. The first wound up in the Gulf of Mexico while he was a student naval aviator, he flew the second one into electrical transmission wires over Spain and the bailed out of the third after radioing he had a flameout and couldn’t restart the engine. BTW, while McCain’s plane was indeed lost in the Forrestal fire, it isn’t fair to say he crashed it as many now do. Lost plane #5 came later when he was shot down by the North Vietnamese.

    McCain’s terrible flying record helps support the “wet burn” theory but the laws of physics refute it.

    I certainly don’t want to see John McCain become President; he’s a thin-skinned, self-aggrandizing egomaniac with a history of recklessness and poor judgment. But I also don’t want stupid rumors floating around that slander him. Circulating obviously false stories only make McCain’s critics look like conspiracy theorists and make McCain into a martyr. And remember how unfair Kerry was treated in 2004. I say it’s fair to use McCain’s military record against him but only if what is said is true. There’s enough fact out there to destroy the “McCain’s Navy record qualifies him for the White House” meme if people are willing to bring the truth to light and not back down.

    What made Swiftboating so wrong was that it was so false. I don’t care that it worked, the Democrats need to know that they can hit the Republicans hard without having to use phony, cheap shots.

    And here’s the irony: Wesley Clark’s statements were not false or cheap and so they were fair but the GOP and most of the media frame his comments as being out-of-bounds even though the GOP and the media framed Kerry as being a liar in 2004 using phony, cheap shots. Kerry must have been a hell of a good liar to earn all those medals for heroism, AND without a couple of four-star admirals in the family tree to back him up.

    I think Gen. Clark is correct to stick to his guns and not back down. Being shot down over enemy territory is heroic but it isn’t a qualification for becoming President. If it were, all the Democrats would need to do is find a fighter pilot who lost SIX planes and was shot down over Vietnam, one more plane than McCain. The hard part would be finding anyone who would be even allowed to fly after losing half as many planes; well, anyone without a four-star admiral for a father, that is.

    Comment by Nittany — July 2, 2008 @ 7:38 am

  4. Nittany,

    Great post !

    I am responsible for some of that rumor mongering and I am in the process of recanting and putting things in perspective.

    Comment by gasdocpol — July 2, 2008 @ 5:53 pm

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  6. This article is loaded with factual inaccuracies. It’s the little factual failings that cause me to doubt the author or his beleaguered, trite, regurgitated bemoaning. A-1 Skyraiders were never used for training. McCain never stepped foot on NAS Pensacola for training. I could go on, but I think you know where this is going…

    Comment by Tim — July 29, 2008 @ 4:30 am

  7. Tim

    Thanks for your input. I will check on the factual inaccuracies you mention. Much in the article is undisputable.

    John McCain apparently was a wild child. He was propelled through the navy by an ancestry that consisted of 2 four star admirals.

    He put together a salty demeaner and gravitas no doubt in imitation of his admiral father, a belligerant personality and some navy service into a convinceable schtick of a naval war hero. It got him a career in the Senate.

    What I see is a superstitious compulsive gambler with an anger management problem who is no more conciencious about understanding the issues than he was as a USNA midshipman at the bottom of his class.

    Comment by gasdocpol — July 29, 2008 @ 5:52 am

  8. Tim: “McCain never stepped foot on NAS Pensacola for training.”

    John McCain, “Faith of Our Fathers”, P.153: “At flight school in Pensacola, and then at advanced flight training with my pal Chuck Larson in Corpus Christi, Texas, I did not enjoy the reputation of a serious pilot or an up-and-coming officer….At Pensacola, I spent much of my off-duty time at the legendary bar Trader John’s.” Continues regarding McCain’s time at Pensacola for the next 2 pages.

    Tim: “A-1 Skyraiders were never used for training.”

    You appear to be correct here. McCain says he flew A-1’s during his deployments on the USS Intrepid and Enterprise, based out of Norfolk, in the early 1960s, not during his time in training at Pensacola and Corpus Christi.

    Comment by mattsteinglass — August 4, 2008 @ 6:03 pm

  9. […] the first plane that he lost. Before he ever flew his first combat mission, McCain lost 4 other planes, including one that he crashed, while flying back from an out of state football […]

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  10. Disaster DID seem to follow John McCain around. Before he even left the academy, his weekends in Annapolis were said to be like “trainwrecks”. His nickname was Punk McNasty in high school.

    At the debate this evening , he was spitting out canned answers even before Rev. Warren finished asking the question.

    He looked to me to be rigid, emotional and self rightious. Obama was cool, cerebral and nuanced.

    Comment by gasdocpol — August 17, 2008 @ 3:23 am

  11. I was a Navy A-4 pilot running two or three years behind McCain’s career. In fact as a pilot in Attack Squadron 163 I flew off the Oriskany in 1966 and left after the Oriskany fire in October. McCain came aboard about a year later. He probably crashed a T-28 trainer into the Gulf at Corpus Christi and ran an A-1 Skyraider (both props) into the Spanish power lines. While an instructor at Meridian he would have flown the two seat T2J Buckeye trainer and that’s the one he took to the Army-Navy game. By the way, pilots taking Navy planes on cross country is routine. It’s better training than flying around in circles at home field.

    A Navy pilot has to be arrogant, at least outwardly so. He does not need to be so outside the cockpit and for no good reason.

    Despite all this, despite the fact I had met McCain upon occasion in those flying days, I will not be voting for him because he is too much like Bush, particularly in that he is deceitful. I’m glad Obama is my alternative.

    Comment by Louie Nordbye — August 29, 2008 @ 10:59 pm

  12. Louie Nordbye

    I agree that John McCain is more like GW Bush than many people realize.

    Like Bush, McCain got into an elite college because of a legacy of his father and grandfather. Both of them were lousy students. Both of them misbehaved well into adulthood, while being propelled by family connections.

    GW Bush was propped up by Neocons as their front. McCain is surrounding himself with Neocons: Kagan, Bolton and Scheunemann. The latter got rich by getting us into the Iraq fiasco. He was simultaneously a lobbyist for the Republic of Georgia and an advisor to McCain. McCain’s bellicose posture with Russia is of concern to me.

    Neocons would need to be deceitful. If Americans knew what they have done in the name of the USA, they would be taken out an shot.

    Comment by gasdocpol — August 29, 2008 @ 11:32 pm

  13. John McCain grew up the son and grandson of Navy men who ultimately achieved four star status. So far as I know he never lived among civilians. He attended prep school in DC and then Annapolis and then right into the operational Navy. He is more in step with military than a career admiral might be. In this country we don’t promote career military to the top civilian spot (Ike excepted). It is fair to say he doesn’t get it.

    Obama/Biden opponents ask what management skills the ticket possesses. McCain was never in a traditional management position. For less than a year he was CO of the replacement airwing VFA-106 in Jacksonville. Navy units pretty much run themselves.

    But, this: After the Forrestal fire in 1967 McCain could have returned home along with the survivors of his squadron VA-46. When he learned that Air Wing 16 (James Bond Stockdale’s wing in 1965) aboard Oriskany was desperate for A-4 pilots he volunteered ending up in VA-163. That’s guts and I would never question his courage.

    Comment by Louie Nordbye — August 30, 2008 @ 4:25 pm

  14. Louis Nordbye

    1. I am glad that you pointed out that McCain only had about one year of managerial experience. It is well known that “The Chief Petty Officers run the Navy”.

    2.. You said “he volunteered ending up in VA-163. That’s guts and I would never question his courage.”

    On the other hand maybe he did indeed deliberately “wet start” his plane on the USS Forrestal as a prank and he was trying to redeem himself either out of guilt or attempting to salvage his Naval career.

    Comment by gasdocpol — August 30, 2008 @ 8:20 pm

  15. “On the other hand maybe he did indeed deliberately “wet start” his plane on the USS Forrestal as a prank and he was trying to redeem himself either out of guilt or attempting to salvage his Naval career.” writes gasdocpol.

    First of all, yes, the chiefs run the show and I would add First Class POs to that mix. Now, after 3 1/2 years in the cockpits of A-4s (B model through E) I admit I do not know what a “wet start” is. If that means bringing the throttle around the horn before the run-up signal I suppose you could call that a wet start. From the Forrestal fire footage it appears McCain’s bird had its tailpipe jutting out over the flight deck and away from anything behind it. It also seems that the rocket came from across the deck and my guess was triggered by stray voltage. None of McCain;s doing. LCDR Jerry Stark died in his A-4 cockpit right next to McCain and LCDR Dennie Barton died trapped in his on the catapult.

    It’s comforting to know that McCain;s running mate is so well versed in military matters due to her experience as Commander of the Alaska National Guard.

    Comment by Louie Nordbye — August 31, 2008 @ 6:42 pm

  16. McCain was clearly shooting from the hip when he chose his running mate. It is beyond me how a majority of Americans could feel more comfortable with McCain when it comes to foreign affairs and being commander in chief.

    The fact that McCain is a compulsive gambler who has spent upwards of 15 hours at a time at craps tables betting thousands of dollars a throw while Obama is a good poker player speaks volumes.

    Comment by gasdocpol — August 31, 2008 @ 7:13 pm

  17. The first plane plunged into Corpus Christi Bay while McCain was practicing landings. This was caused by engine failure.

    McCain’s second purported crash occurred when he was flying too low over the Iberian penninsula, and took out some power lines. Actually, his plane did not crash, was not seriously damaged. Pilot error.

    McCain’s third crash three occurred when he was returning from flying a Navy trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game. McCain radioed, “I’ve got a flameout” and went through standard relight procedures three times before ejecting at one thousand feet. Aircraft malfunction.

    McCain’s fourth aircraft loss occurred in 1967, on to the USS Forrestal. While seated in the cockpit of his aircraft waiting his turn for takeoff, an accidently fired rocket slammed into McCain’s plane. sink the ship. Not McCain’s fault.

    McCain’s fifth loss happened when McCain’s A-4 Skyhawk was shot down by a surface-to-air missile. A casualty of war.

    That makes the tally:

    1 engine failure.

    1 pilot error mishap.

    1 engine failure.

    1 aircraft lost because someone else’s accidentally fired missle hit his plane.

    1 aicraft shot down in combat.

    That makes only one mishap caused by McCain’s error, and the aircraft was not even seriously damaged. I’ve got doubts about McCain, but garbage and lies like this article which deliberately distort the truth add nothing to the debate, and what’s more, discredit opposition to McCain. Ted Samply is the person dishonored, discredited, and proven to be unworthy by this article, not John McCain

    Comment by MarkinMemorial — September 24, 2008 @ 3:20 pm

  18. Louie Nordbye-

    A “wet start” is deliberately dumping fuel into the afterburner before starting in order to shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft.

    McCain flew an A-4 at that time. A-4 jets flew at subsonic speeds and were not equipped with afterburners. According to the Military Analysis Network site maintained by the Federation of American Scientists, the A-4 was powered by a “Single, Pratt & Whitney, J-52-P-408A non-afterburning, turbojet engine.” The manufacturer’s description of the aircraft also describes the powerplant as “One 11,187-pound-thrust P&W J52-P408 engine,” with no mention of an afterburner.

    Even if it is possible to wet start without an afterburner, since all footage shows McCain’s aircraft with its tail over the deck, pointing out to sea, away from all other aircraft, he could not have started the fire.

    Comment by MarkinMemorial — September 24, 2008 @ 3:26 pm

  19. Markin Memorial
    So basically you are saying that 4 of the 5 five planes that McCain lost can be explained by bad luck. If you place that in a context of “Trainwreck weekends” in Annapolis when he was at the Naval Academy, and 14 hour sessions rolling craps I see a pattern of behavior and ujnlucky consequences that is not keeping with what I would like to see in a president.

    If luck is where opportunity and preparation meet, I have the feeling that lack of preparation had some role in the multiple mishaps that McCain seemed to be always happening. McCain obviously did not prepare his lessons at the USNA and does not seem to me to have a deep and wide understanding of the issues now. His blustery schtick has allowed him to get away about being often wrong but never in doubt.

    McCain has spent a lifetime develloping the social skills that he has used to smooth out his lifelong behavior. He has been so successful at that that the word “Maverick” has been considered by many to be a desireable characteristic.

    I tend not to beleave that McCain “wet stared” his plane on the USS Forrestal.

    Comment by gasdocpol — September 24, 2008 @ 3:56 pm

  20. McCain did not cause the fire on Forrestal in any way. Only John will know if the two engine outs were the result of fuel starvation. It is very likely he pushed the T2J Buckeye (renamed the T-2A) trainer to its range limit flying from NAS McCain Field in Meridian, Mississippi to Virginia Beach to attend the Army Navy game but unlikely he ran the T-28 prop trainer dry. As for the power lines, he’s lucky to have survived but such incidents are not uncommon.

    How many of the original nine does he have left?

    Comment by Louie — September 29, 2008 @ 3:21 pm

  21. This may or may not be noteworthy. My great aunt was the mother of a pilot who was a member of Attack Squadron 163 and in fact the day prior to McCain crashing his plane my cousin went down and was listed as MIA. As a navy veteran myself in a division about the same size as McCains Attack Squadron, I know you become very close to your shipmates and know practically everything about them. You eat at the same mess, sleep in the same berthing area and when the liberty bell rings you usually partied with most of them over time. My mother related a story to me reguarding my Aunt meeting with John McCain some time after her sons death. Evidently she wanted to find some info about his final days. McCain was dismissive with her and in fact acted as if he never even knew my cousin. I don’t believe this kind of treatment was merited but seems to fit McCain’s beligerent attitude. I doubt McCain wouldn’t have been to at least give my Aunt some piece of mind but, he choose not to. Personally, I think maybe he had something he was ashamed of.

    Comment by Jim — September 29, 2008 @ 8:09 pm

  22. Jim – If you are referring to Kromenhouk (sp) I did not know him as I left The Saints before he reported. He was, however, well thought of by many who flew with him and they have relayed accounts of him to me. Curiously, I’m off to Washington DC Saturday for the Arlington funeral October 6 of LCDR Ralph Bisz who was lost about a month before your relative (you can Google him if you’re interested). His bones were returned a few years back and only identified by DNA earlier this year. Ten of his relatives will attend, the closest being a cousin. Thirteen of us Old Salt old farts will be there as well.

    I’d be surprised if McCain showed up. He hasn’t paid much attention to the squadron over the years.

    Comment by Louie — October 1, 2008 @ 5:57 pm

  23. […] stated this with authority to hearken to his many, many years spent in the military, as a pilot (who lost six planes) and as a Congressional liaison.  While the context makes sense, this statement is not believable […]

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  24. Seems that true intellectual honesty is almost non-existent. Where is the objectivity in gasdocpol’s diatribe. He apparently decided to support “the one” and then set about slandering and libeling the character of John McCain. If the same emotionalism and enthusiasm were placed either “the one” in the cross hairs, we would enjoy a much more lengthy and interesting journey. Too bad the America, our founding fathers established, with inspiration from God, has been lost to such short-sighted, selfish, nonobjective views and actions.

    Comment by Greg — November 7, 2008 @ 11:08 am

  25. Greg

    The article that I quoted obviously has spin but the facts are pretty well documented. The fact that John McCain had a father and grandfather who were 4 star admirals propelled him in the navy and, I feel, probably allowed him to spin a total of 20 hours in combat and 23 combat missions into a war hero myth . Hundreds of other POWs were also offered early release and also refused.

    McCain has social skills , a sense of humor and drive. Life is not fair. Some people make the cut while some more qualified people do not. Sometimes the gatekeepers are under outside influence and some times they just make mistakes.

    In my own life, I became an officer in the navy when more qualified people than me did not. I got to be a physician when more qualified people did not. I got to be board certified in my specialty when others more qualified than me did not. How is that for objectivity and intellectual honesty?

    I have voted Republican as often as Democrat.

    I question YOUR objectivity and intellectual honesty.

    Now that Obama is in the presidency, I will sleep better and I will stop trying to get my message out there.

    We will just have to agree to disagree.

    Comment by gasdocpol — November 7, 2008 @ 1:07 pm


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