Liberalscum Buster

September 7, 2008

McCAIN SPENT A TOTAL OF 20 HOURS IN COMBAT AND 5 1/2 YEARS AS A POW

Filed under: BARACK OBAMA, Bush, hillary clinton, John McCain, life, mideast, news, politics, war — gasdocpol @ 10:47 pm

THEREFORE HE IS A WAR HERO AND SHOULD BE PRESIDENT.

Have I missed something ?

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  1. Obama..um, went to law school or something. And gives good speeches. Therefore he should be President?

    See how this razor cuts both ways.

    Comment by Sonic Charmer — September 7, 2008 @ 10:55 pm

  2. Sonic Charmer

    Fair enough. Let’s compare them.

    EDUCATION

    McCain went to an elite federal service academy because his father and grandfather were 4 star admirals. He was 895th in a class of 899. He was a rauchy,rowdy underachiever who ammassed huge amounts of demerits.

    Obama graduated from Harvard Law Magna Cum Laude and was President of the Harvard Law Review.

    Based on that , one could argue that Obama demonstrated an ability to do his homework, understand and organize complicated subject matter and present it exceptionally well.

    THIS DOES NOT PROVE THAT EITHER OF THEM HAS GOOD COMMON SENSE AND JUDGEMENT. IN FACT NEOCON, DOUGLAS FEITH, ALSO GRADUATED FROM HARVARD LAW MAGNA CUM LAUD AND HE WAS CALLED B GEN TOMMY FRANKS “tHE DUMBEST PERSON ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH”

    COMMON SENSE Which I define as the ability to make a good decision without special experience or training.

    Obama, using generally available information gave the following argument against the Iraq invasion.

    “I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.

    I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

    I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars.”

    IN DOING THAT OBAMA CAME TO A CONCLUSION THAT ELUDED OTHERS WITH YEARS OF SPECIAL TRAINING AND DECADES OF “EXPERIENCE”. IN ORDER TO GET THAT QUESTION RIGHT, HE NEEDED TO GET MANY OTHER QUESTIONS RIGHT.

    TEMPERMENT

    McCain is an intellectually lazy, emotionally unstable, superstitious , compulsive gambler (craps of all things!) with an anger management problem.

    Obama is a cool cerebral poker player who can sink a 40′ 3 pointer with the whole world watching.

    Comment by gasdocpol — September 8, 2008 @ 5:11 pm

  3. This sort of comparison inevitably entails a judgment call. Your judgment, i.e. your opinion, is that Obama should be President based on factors XYZ etc.

    But, that was already apparent, so not much to discuss. best

    Comment by Sonic Charmer — September 9, 2008 @ 12:04 am

  4. In my humble opinion, Obama is more cerebral, has more common sense and has a better temperment to be President than mCcain.

    Comment by gasdocpol — September 9, 2008 @ 12:32 am

  5. Ooh, he’s “more cerebral”. Well, I’m convinced. Make that man the President!

    Comment by Sonic Charmer — September 9, 2008 @ 3:18 am

  6. Sonic Charmer

    GW Bush was not very cerebral either. We saw where that got us.

    It is amazing what criteria people use in choosing our leaders. Maverick is good and elite and cerebral are bad.

    Comment by gasdocpol — September 9, 2008 @ 4:13 am

  7. How about let’s agree that “he was a POW” and “he’s cerebral” are both stupid bases on which to choose a President.

    Comment by Sonic Charmer — September 9, 2008 @ 11:46 am

  8. Intelligence is not a consideration in choosing a president?

    Comment by gasdocpol — September 9, 2008 @ 12:14 pm

  9. Sonic Charmer

    Cerebral
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Cerebral (adjective), Describes an angle of thinking that utilizes the intellect rather than intuition or instinct

    Merriam on line dictionary
    Cerebral= of or relating to the brain or the intellect.
    appealing to intellectual appreciation

    Comment by gasdocpol — September 9, 2008 @ 3:56 pm

  10. Main Entry:
    non se·qui·tur Listen to the pronunciation of non sequitur
    Pronunciation:
    \ˈnän-ˈse-kwə-tər also -ˌtu̇r\
    Function:
    noun
    Etymology:
    Latin, it does not follow
    Date:
    1540

    1: an inference that does not follow from the premises; specifically : a fallacy resulting from a simple conversion of a universal affirmative proposition or from the transposition of a condition and its consequent2: a statement (as a response) that does not follow logically from or is not clearly related to anything previously said

    Comment by Sonic Charmer — September 10, 2008 @ 12:14 am

  11. Sonic Charmer

    OK.. I took logic in college and Latin in high school . I think that I should be able to follow you.

    Are you questioning my premises? or my logic?

    I think that my arguement is as follows (Modus ponens)

    Premise 1 IF McCain had 23 combat missions and spent 5 1/2 years as a POW THEN he is a war hero

    Premise 2 McCain had 23 combat missions and was a POW 5 1/2 years.

    THEREFORE McCain is a war hero.

    The logic is valid but I question premise 1 Thus the arguement is unsound.

    THEN

    Premise 1 IF McCain is a war hero THEN he would be a good president

    Premise 2 McCain is a war hero

    Therefore McCain would be a good president

    So the argument is valid if the premises are true. UNFORTUNATELY, I question premise one.Therfore I claim that the argument that McCain would be a good president is unsound.

    I think that I am honoring Aristotelian logic.

    Comment by gasdocpol — September 10, 2008 @ 2:20 am

  12. It was a non sequitur to post the def of cerebral. All one can tell from the def is that it’s basically a good thing to be cerebral, at least better than not. But the issue was whether ‘being cerebral’ is sufficient cause to make someone President. Lots of people are ‘cerebral’.

    As for the whole POW thing of your original post, that argument is actually what is known as a ‘straw man’. Although it’s easier for you to pretend as much, no one is saying let’s make McCain the President ‘because he was a POW’ anymore than people’re saying let’s make Obama President ‘because he’s cerebral’ (well, except you). That was my point.

    Comment by Sonic Charmer — September 10, 2008 @ 3:46 am

  13. Sonic,

    (We certainly have generated a lot of print for a one sentence post.)

    There are many things that would define what being a good president calls for.

    Having been a POW is not a strong or important argument in favor of McCain.

    Being smart (cerebral) IS an important factor and a rather srtong argument in favor of Obama.

    Obviously there are many other qualities we would like to see.

    One is common sense which I define as the ability to make a good decision without special training or experience.

    Obama toook readily available information and correctly concluded the the Iraq war would be a dumb war when others with years of special training and decades of experience got it wrong.

    Here are some of his words in October 2002.

    ” I know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.

    I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

    I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars”

    (google obama oct 2002 iraq)to find the rest of his speech.

    1. I prefer Obama because I think that he is smarter (more cerebral if you will excuse the expression)than McCain.
    McCain is not stupid but Obama has done more with the brains he was born with.

    2. I think that Obama has common sense because of the above.

    3. Tempermentally, I think that Obama is a cool-headed poker player and McCain is a hot-headed crap shooter. The games that they respectively like to play are a good metaphor for they way they would be President..

    You obviously disagree. Your friends probably are for McCain too. Do your country a favor and just vote for Obama when you go in the voting booth but tell them you voted for McCain.

    Comment by gasdocpol — September 10, 2008 @ 8:37 am

  14. Having been a POW is not a strong or important argument in favor of McCain.

    Being smart (cerebral) IS an important factor and a rather srtong argument in favor of Obama.

    I guess I agree with these sentence as written (mostly). But again, nobody was using ‘having been a POW’ as a prominent, standalone argument for McCain becoming President in the first place.

    You obviously disagree.

    What? To be honest, I’m fairly ambivalent as to who should become the next President.

    Your friends probably are for McCain too.

    What? If I had to guess, I would hazard that 90% of the people I know are in favor of Obama.

    Do your country a favor and just vote for Obama when you go in the voting booth but tell them you voted for McCain.

    The way I would be doing my country a favor, if I vote, would be to vote my preference, if I have one. Not to vote for whom you tell me to vote, which would be doing my country no favors. As for “telling my friends I voted for McCain”, I don’t know where you’re coming up with this jazz.

    Comment by Sonic Charmer — September 10, 2008 @ 10:52 am

  15. Sonic

    Vote your conscience

    Comment by gasdocpol — September 10, 2008 @ 11:24 am

  16. it might turn into something real riveting

    Comment by Mohammed Cash — October 12, 2008 @ 10:35 pm


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